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Can ejabberd be configured to support clients that only know about 'agents' and don't do disco?
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Brian Safford
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:14 pm |
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On 3/5/07, Safford, Brian <brian.safford@eds.com> wrote:
> Can ejabberd be configured to support clients that only know about 'agents'
> and don't do disco?
No, the agents method was already absolete since the beginning of
ejabberd, so there is no support for it. Why do you need it?
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:16 pm |
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I have about 70,000 users using Jabber Inc's JM 2.7 client ...
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 5:14 PM
To: ejabberd@jabber.ru
Subject: Re: [ejabberd] agents vs. discovery
On 3/5/07, Safford, Brian <brian.safford@eds.com> wrote:
> Can ejabberd be configured to support clients that only know about
'agents'
> and don't do disco?
No, the agents method was already absolete since the beginning of
ejabberd, so there is no support for it. Why do you need it?
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:48 pm |
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On 3/5/07, Safford, Brian <brian.safford@eds.com> wrote:
> I have about 70,000 users using Jabber Inc's JM 2.7 client ...
Isn't it possible to upgrade to a newer version of JM that has support
for disco?
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:50 pm |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:54 pm |
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On 3/5/07, Safford, Brian <brian.safford@eds.com> wrote:
> Of course ... but was hoping to be able to do that gradually.
You also can code such a component and contribute it to ejabberd (or
pay someone to do it for you).
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:25 am |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:17 pm |
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Would it be unreasonable to stick with your current XMPP server and
focus on getting the gradual client upgrade instead? Then when
that's complete you can upgrade to ejabberd?
Daniel
On Mar 5, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Safford, Brian wrote:
> Of course ... but was hoping to be able to do that gradually.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ejabberd-bounces@jabber.ru [mailto:ejabberd-
> bounces@jabber.ru] On
> Behalf Of Sander Devrieze
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 5:48 PM
> To: ejabberd@jabber.ru
> Subject: Re: [ejabberd] agents vs. discovery
>
> On 3/5/07, Safford, Brian <brian.safford@eds.com> wrote:
>> I have about 70,000 users using Jabber Inc's JM 2.7 client ...
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> Isn't it possible to upgrade to a newer version of JM that has support
> for disco?
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> --
> Mvg, Sander Devrieze.
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> http://lists.jabber.ru/mailman/listinfo/ejabberd
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:36 pm |
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Our organization is migrating to Microsoft's LCS in April ... my goal
is to have a completely open source alternative available ( so we don't
have to spend any more $$ for Jabber Inc licenses ) in the event that
migration has *issues* ...
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:18 AM
To: ejabberd@jabber.ru
Subject: Re: [ejabberd] agents vs. discovery
Would it be unreasonable to stick with your current XMPP server and
focus on getting the gradual client upgrade instead? Then when that's
complete you can upgrade to ejabberd?
Daniel
On Mar 5, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Safford, Brian wrote:
> Of course ... but was hoping to be able to do that gradually.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ejabberd-bounces@jabber.ru [mailto:ejabberd- bounces@jabber.ru]
> On Behalf Of Sander Devrieze
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 5:48 PM
> To: ejabberd@jabber.ru
> Subject: Re: [ejabberd] agents vs. discovery
>
> On 3/5/07, Safford, Brian <brian.safford@eds.com> wrote:
>> I have about 70,000 users using Jabber Inc's JM 2.7 client ...
>
> Isn't it possible to upgrade to a newer version of JM that has support
> for disco?
>
> --
> Mvg, Sander Devrieze.
> _______________________________________________
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> ejabberd@jabber.ru
> http://lists.jabber.ru/mailman/listinfo/ejabberd
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:33 pm |
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On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Safford, Brian wrote:
> Our organization is migrating to Microsoft's LCS in April ... my goal
eww.. =(
> is to have a completely open source alternative available ( so we
> don't
> have to spend any more $$ for Jabber Inc licenses ) in the event that
> migration has *issues* ...
I'm pretty sure Wildfire also doesn't do agents. You might want to
look into jabberd1 or jabberd2 in the meantime? There are scripts to
migrate from them to ejabberd. =)
Daniel
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ejabberd-bounces@jabber.ru [mailto:ejabberd-
> bounces@jabber.ru] On
> Behalf Of Daniel Henninger
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:18 AM
> To: ejabberd@jabber.ru
> Subject: Re: [ejabberd] agents vs. discovery
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> Would it be unreasonable to stick with your current XMPP server and
> focus on getting the gradual client upgrade instead? Then when that's
> complete you can upgrade to ejabberd?
>
> Daniel
>
> On Mar 5, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Safford, Brian wrote:
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>> Of course ... but was hoping to be able to do that gradually.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ejabberd-bounces@jabber.ru [mailto:ejabberd- bounces@jabber.ru]
>> On Behalf Of Sander Devrieze
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 5:48 PM
>> To: ejabberd@jabber.ru
>> Subject: Re: [ejabberd] agents vs. discovery
>>
>> On 3/5/07, Safford, Brian <brian.safford@eds.com> wrote:
>>> I have about 70,000 users using Jabber Inc's JM 2.7 client ...
>>
>> Isn't it possible to upgrade to a newer version of JM that has
>> support
>
>> for disco?
>>
>> --
>> Mvg, Sander Devrieze.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> ejabberd@jabber.ru
>> http://lists.jabber.ru/mailman/listinfo/ejabberd
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On 3/6/07, Daniel Henninger <jadestorm@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure Wildfire also doesn't do agents. You might want to
> look into jabberd1 or jabberd2 in the meantime? There are scripts to
> migrate from them to ejabberd. =)
Mmmm, not sure if that is a good solution. First, AFAIR agents support
has been removed in the latest version of jabberd14. Second, jabberd14
might not scale enough for your big deployment. I think your best
options are:
* switch to another Jabber client
* write a module for ejabberd that does agents
* pay someone to write a module that does agents
* try to convince someone to write for free a module that does agents
* try to contact Jabber Inc to discuss this issue, I guess they would
more like to see that your company uses ejabberd instead of LCS
btw: why does your company wants to switch to LCS instead of e.g.
ejabberd? For example, are the promotional materials of LCS fancier?
Some feedback can be interesting.
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I'd rather not get into that discussion, other than to say that EDS is a
Microsoft Platinum whatever ...
My approach now is to continue to develope the ejabberd solution, and if
my management wants to use it they'll need to change Jabber clients.
Thanks to everyone that has weighed in on this.
Regards,
Brian
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:09 PM
To: ejabberd@jabber.ru
Subject: Re: [ejabberd] agents vs. discovery
On 3/6/07, Daniel Henninger <jadestorm@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure Wildfire also doesn't do agents. You might want to
> look into jabberd1 or jabberd2 in the meantime? There are scripts to
> migrate from them to ejabberd. =)
Mmmm, not sure if that is a good solution. First, AFAIR agents support
has been removed in the latest version of jabberd14. Second, jabberd14
might not scale enough for your big deployment. I think your best
options are:
* switch to another Jabber client
* write a module for ejabberd that does agents
* pay someone to write a module that does agents
* try to convince someone to write for free a module that does agents
* try to contact Jabber Inc to discuss this issue, I guess they would
more like to see that your company uses ejabberd instead of LCS
btw: why does your company wants to switch to LCS instead of e.g.
ejabberd? For example, are the promotional materials of LCS fancier?
Some feedback can be interesting.
--
Mvg, Sander Devrieze.
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The more I think about it, yeah, I'd have to agree with Sander.
Going with the other jabberds probably wouldn't be that great an
idea. One other thought though, what specifically are you losing by
not having agents support right now? Is the Jabber, Inc. client
incapable of interacting with the server if it doesn't support
disco? Take my client that I haven't touched in a long time,
JWGC... I never had time to build disco support into it but for
normal chatting and such it doesn't matter. I don't typically need
to probe for a list of services, or anything of that nature. Mostly
I'm just curious what aspects of agents/disco you really need right
now. =)
Daniel
On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Sander Devrieze wrote:
> On 3/6/07, Daniel Henninger <jadestorm@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure Wildfire also doesn't do agents. You might want to
>> look into jabberd1 or jabberd2 in the meantime? There are scripts to
>> migrate from them to ejabberd. =)
>
> Mmmm, not sure if that is a good solution. First, AFAIR agents support
> has been removed in the latest version of jabberd14. Second, jabberd14
> might not scale enough for your big deployment. I think your best
> options are:
> * switch to another Jabber client
> * write a module for ejabberd that does agents
> * pay someone to write a module that does agents
> * try to convince someone to write for free a module that does agents
> * try to contact Jabber Inc to discuss this issue, I guess they would
> more like to see that your company uses ejabberd instead of LCS
>
> btw: why does your company wants to switch to LCS instead of e.g.
> ejabberd? For example, are the promotional materials of LCS fancier?
> Some feedback can be interesting.
>
> --
> Mvg, Sander Devrieze.
> _______________________________________________
> ejabberd mailing list
> ejabberd@jabber.ru
> http://lists.jabber.ru/mailman/listinfo/ejabberd
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No transports show up ... so adding transport contacts would have to be
done by full jid
No conference rooms show up ... so you have to know the name of the room
you want to join
Those are the big hitters ... there are probably others.
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Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [ejabberd] agents vs. discovery
The more I think about it, yeah, I'd have to agree with Sander.
Going with the other jabberds probably wouldn't be that great an idea.
One other thought though, what specifically are you losing by not having
agents support right now? Is the Jabber, Inc. client incapable of
interacting with the server if it doesn't support disco? Take my client
that I haven't touched in a long time, JWGC... I never had time to
build disco support into it but for normal chatting and such it doesn't
matter. I don't typically need to probe for a list of services, or
anything of that nature. Mostly I'm just curious what aspects of
agents/disco you really need right now. =)
Daniel
On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Sander Devrieze wrote:
> On 3/6/07, Daniel Henninger <jadestorm@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure Wildfire also doesn't do agents. You might want to
>> look into jabberd1 or jabberd2 in the meantime? There are scripts to
>> migrate from them to ejabberd. =)
>
> Mmmm, not sure if that is a good solution. First, AFAIR agents support
> has been removed in the latest version of jabberd14. Second, jabberd14
> might not scale enough for your big deployment. I think your best
> options are:
> * switch to another Jabber client
> * write a module for ejabberd that does agents
> * pay someone to write a module that does agents
> * try to convince someone to write for free a module that does agents
> * try to contact Jabber Inc to discuss this issue, I guess they would
> more like to see that your company uses ejabberd instead of LCS
>
> btw: why does your company wants to switch to LCS instead of e.g.
> ejabberd? For example, are the promotional materials of LCS fancier?
> Some feedback can be interesting.
>
> --
> Mvg, Sander Devrieze.
> _______________________________________________
> ejabberd mailing list
> ejabberd@jabber.ru
> http://lists.jabber.ru/mailman/listinfo/ejabberd
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